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November 12, 2006

Ten Tips For Dealing With GIYUS

Filed under: Blogging, israel, Lebanon, Palestine — netherworld @ 5:30 am

If, like many people, you are disgusted by the behaviour of Israel and happen to blog about, say, the latest massacre in Gaza; the desperate situation the Palestinians are in; the carnage in Lebanon or the provocation of UNIFIL peacekeepers; the threat of attacking Iran or any of the other nefarious deeds that Israel is allowed to get away with, then there is a reasonable chance that you may attract the attention of GIYUS. You’ll know when that has happened when you find your post bombarded by comments (usually anonymous and looking remarkably similar) attempting to justify those actions and attacking you for daring to mention them. A quick look at your stats will confirm that you’ve been GIYUSed. If this bothers you, here are some tips which may put a stop to the attack, or at least lessen the flow of moronic comments. Of course I can’t guarantee that they will work, all I can say is that they seemed to work for me when I became their target. First of all don’t be intimidated, that’s what this little army of cyber soldiers want you to be. Instead you could try the following:

  1. Update your post straight away explaining what has happened and adding a little bit about GIYUS for those unfamiliar with this annoying pressure group. This also lets the GIYUS bots know that you’re on to them.

  2. If possible, add some links to previous posts you might have written on the issues to show that you are not going to be intimidated by their antics.

  3. Refute their ‘arguments’ in the comments. This is easy as they really don’t have any. Their comments go along the lines of “it is about time that Israel completely ignore any condemnation of our effort to stay alive and have a simple life in a and keep pounding at the Palestinians…”. Also they don’t stick around to argue, debate is the last thing they want and its what they are trying to stifle. They just do as they are directed by GIYUS.

  4. On no account say anything which they could construe as being anti-Semitic. That is exactly what they want. Not only is anti-Semitism so obviously wrong but you’ll be lowering yourself to their level. Their main objective is to ‘prove’ that anyone who disagrees with Israeli policies is a) anti-Semitic, b) a Holocaust denier, and c) an ‘Islamo-fascist’. To do this they try to blur the distinctions between ‘Zionist’, ‘Israeli’ and ‘Jewish’.

  5. Use reliable news sources to back up your points. If you can find items from Israeli sources, so much the better. Haaretz and B’TSalem are useful.

  6. Invite others to join in the fun, it makes the thread more balanced and much more interesting. It also saves you from having to repeat yourself or respond to every comment.

  7. Don’t delete their comments unless they really are particularly offensive. That just makes it look like you haven’t got an answer to them. Leave their comments up so we can all have a good laugh at them.

  8. Use humour. Believe me, these commenters have as much sense of humour as Ian Paisley on a bad day, and they don’t like having the piss taken out of them (who does?). The issues are deadly serious for both sides of the argument but the point here is to stop GIYUS bullying you into remaining silent about them.

  9. If other bloggers link to your post then even more people will see it thus rendering their efforts to silence you completely counter-productive. I’ll take this opportunity to thank the Curious Hamster, Obsolete and D-Notice for linking to my post which helped GIYUS’s attack on me backfire.

  10. GIYUS has been particularly effective in distorting or wrecking on-line polls. If you are conducting a poll about Israel and you find that GIYUS members turn up in great numbers to distort the result, my advice would be to shut it down immediately and post a message explaining why. I haven’t conducted a poll about Israel but it’s what I’d do if I found my poll being distorted by GIYUS.

When I was targeted by GIYUS I did most of the things on this list and the comments slowed down and then stopped very quickly. And it wasn’t because the GIYUS bots stopped visiting. As I write this they are still coming, they’re just not bombarding me with their silly justifications for what is by any standard criminal behaviour. Groups like this don’t like to be exposed in this way, so when a light is shined on them they tend to scuttle back to whatever dark recesses they emerged from. Mind you, having posted this I wouldn’t be surprised if they tried again.

If you have been GIYUSed and your post is genuine comment on Middle East news and not anti-Semitic or conspiracy theory garbage, feel free to drop me a comment and I’ll link to it. Freedom of speech is important and we have enough curtailment of it from our leaders, so we don’t need these idiots to bully us into silence. If all this sounds like behaving little better than GIYUS, it isn’t. I’m not advocating bombarding peoples web sites with comments or hurling abuse at anyone. This is just a defence tactic which may or may not work if you find yourself under a coordinated virtual attack from a state sponsored pressure group. No state is above criticism and when a state behaves the way Israel does it should expect to be criticised for its crimes. Unfortunately many governments, particularly the American and British governments refuse to criticise these atrocities and are complicit in them, so it’s up to us to do it.

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  1. I am going to put a link to this post on my web blog I think it is very important for all of us to be aware of. I have herd stories out there about this being done and some have just shut down their web blog or site because of it. With this may be you can help some people out there.

    Comment by tearsforlebanon — November 12, 2006 @ 10:28 pm

  2. [...] If your Blog has attracted the attention of  GIYUS. You’ll know when that has happened when you find your post bombarded by comments (usually anonymous and looking remarkably similar) you do have help to fend them off Ten Tips. [...]

    Pingback by Ten tips for dealing with GIYUS « Tears For Lebanon — November 12, 2006 @ 10:37 pm

  3. Interesting. Never heard about this before. Thanks.

    Comment by Sous — November 13, 2006 @ 7:19 pm

  4. Brilliant. Just had a run-in with a couple of these anonymous cyberhacks myself. Much appreciated. Will be adding you to blogroll. cheers, Ann

    Comment by peoplesgeography — November 14, 2006 @ 8:36 am

  5. Ah yes, the chattering monkeys of GUYIS. It would be fun to post a poll with an Israel-themed question everyday, but to really piss them off, it would be fun if you could make any vote from a user referred from the GUYIS announcement be recorded as an anti-Israel vote, and let them know it is happening. They’d probably get so pissed off their genitals would explode, then they couldn’t breed and we’d destroy a generation of Zionists.

    Comment by Sellam — November 21, 2006 @ 8:27 pm

  6. I’m an American Jew who writes a progressive Zionist blog, Tikun Olam, which is often critical of Israeli policies. I don’t know enough about yr perspective on things to say whether we differ or not politically (we prob. do) but…I am often the target of attacks fr. right-wing pro-Israeli types.

    I was wondering if you could describe either in yr blog or privately to me how you ID a giyus attack. Undoubtedly, if they hit you they’ll be after me soon & I’d like to know how you tell. Are real humans posting the comments to you? Or are they automated?

    You should also know that if you host yr site & have access to your installation (which you don’t using Blogger or WordPress.com), you can use other technical defenses like preventing visitors coming from specific IP addresses or domain names.

    Also, if folks can be polite I wouldn’t mind you or yr readers taking a look at some of my recent Israel-Palestine posts (see attached link) and reply to the nasty folk who’ve innundated me.

    I just discovered that a pro Israel site called OlehMusings is coordinating a number of folk to write harsh comments. I’ve been giving as good as I’ve been getting. But only a few commenters have been supporting my perspective.

    Regarding yr use of WordPress.com–do not continue at Blogger for another minute (I’m kidding). But seriously, I used BLogger when I started 4 yrs ago. Now I use WordPress.org & really love it. It’s light years ahead of Blogger. Whatever you do–have fun!

    Comment by Richard Silverstein — November 23, 2006 @ 10:35 am

  7. BTW, “giyus” means “draft” in Hebrew as in “military draft.” It has a connotation of compelling someone to participate in an action (like military service). So these people think they’re dragooning the media (or is it their own supporters?) for the greater good of Israel. Yuck!

    Comment by Richard Silverstein — November 23, 2006 @ 10:37 am

  8. Richard, my sympathies. If I may presume upon Davide’s kind indulgence of this response (our comments are automatically tracked by WP so it showed up that you’d replied)– my sympathies regarding the nasty folk. You’ve a terrific site and I’d be happy to pitch in as time allows. I’m sure I’ve long ago added your site to my blogroll though I haven’t visited for awhile. With WP.COM as with WP.org (which I know is slightly different and which you use) you can also block IP addresses from replying. My most recent responses with such folk I’ve managed to keep determinedly polite, though it is time consuming responding to the same-same old. I guess as Davide intimates, these people are hardly original nor can they usually mount a very effective argument. I’ll come visit as soon as I can.

    Comment by peoplesgeography — November 23, 2006 @ 11:12 am

  9. Hi Richard
    Thanks for visiting. As you say, we may well differ politically but I wouldn’t be surprised if we found much we agree on. If you go through the categories/labels on the Blogger version of this site, you will get a fairly good idea as to what my position is. I’m sorry to hear that you are often the victim of attacks by right-wing pro-Israelis. You are not alone. GIYUS, for example, have been stepping up their attacks not just on blogs like this but also on mainstream newspapers that have on-line discussion threads. Recently three such threads on the Guardian’s ‘Comment is Free’ service have had to be shut down after being bombarded with hatred.
    I don’t know that much about how GIYUS works but the messages are not automated. From what I understand, what seems to happen is GIYUS members tracking websites which discuss Middle East politics will find a site critical of Israel (like mine) and report it to GIYUS who will then alert members with instructions to comment. They give a general guideline of the points to make. If you look at the screen grab from their site which I took when I discovered that I was a target you will see what I mean.
    I realised it was a GIYUS attack when a stream of similar comments came in very quickly (you can read them and my responses here). I instantly checked my stats to find out what was going on (this is only a small blog so more than a few comments is unusual). This was the address the commenters came from: http://ws.giyus.org/points/point?id=373 and the guideline was:

    Please comment on the article below
    The Hamas regime has declared war against Israel, continually firing rockets at cities in Israel. No country in the world can tolerate rockets being fired daily at its cities. Israel won’t. Time for the Palestinians to accept the world’s demand to step away from terror and accept the Roadmap Plan.

    As if Israel had any intention of following the Roadmap!
    I’ll be glad to visit your site and add comments to balance out the nasty vitriol the GIYUS types leave. I have just visited Tikun Olam and I like the fact that you support dialogue with the Palestinians and Syria (obviously it’s the only way agreement can be reached instead of this unproductive and depressing cycle of violence). From what I’ve read so far, I agree with much of what is written there. My comments will be what I feel though and I am pro- Palestinian (although obviously I do not support terrorism on innocent civilians). Don’t worry, I will be polite, I can be very rude but I’ll only do that on my own site. If you want me to comment, give me the address of the specific post that is under attack. I have contacted you at Tikun Olam so you should have my email address.
    As I mentioned in my post, unless comments are excessively offensive I won’t delete them because I believe strongly in freedom of speech and one of the main reasons I blog is to discuss issues. I don’t mind if people disagree with me and tell me so on my blog. I have confidence in my beliefs and the strength of my arguments. If I am shown to be wrong or someone convinces me to change my position I will say so. I don’t have all the answers and from intelligent commenters I can learn something new. For example, you have just told me what GIYUS actually means (I suspected it meant something like that but I wasn’t sure, I meant to ask some of my Jewish relatives but forgot).
    Regarding WordPress v Blogger, I agree. WordPress seems to be streets ahead and is more stable and easy to use. My problem is I can’t import my old posts from Blogger because I upgraded it to Blogger Beta and WP haven’t put in a function in to deal with it yet. Also there are so many links to my Blogger site that it will be hard to get everyone to change, but it will happen soon. At the moment I put my posts on both sites which is a bit of a drag (as well as confusing for people I link to) but it’s only a temporary measure until WP sort out the import filter (they said they will).
    I hope this answers your questions and that you continue to visit :)

    Comment by netherworld — November 23, 2006 @ 3:36 pm

  10. Thanks to both of you for those gracious replies & offers to visit & possibly comment.

    Giyus sounds absolutely ridiculous. I’m surprised (but shouldn’t be) that the Foreign Ministry is either behind this or supporting it. They still fail to realize that you can dress up a policy to look like Prince Charming, but if it walks, talks & looks like a duck–that’s what it is. Or in this case, a ‘turkey’ (iho Thanksgiving?).

    Glad to know that the commenters all seem to come fr. giyus.org as their referring site. This makes it very easy to ban the domain using a WordPress plugin I’ve installed. It works differently than IP banning through a comment filter. This method wouldn’t be as effective because you’d have lots of people coming to yr site to publish comments & ea. would have a separate IP. But both ways give you some measure of protection.

    Comment by Richard Silverstein — November 24, 2006 @ 8:30 am

  11. I wanted to have the GIYUS notification, but was afraid that the software download might contain some sort of spyware that could cause me problems down the line. Any info on this possibility? Thanks for your contributions to combatting state-sposored propaganda.

    Comment by LanceThruster — November 27, 2006 @ 9:15 pm

  12. I’m not sure I can help you on that Lance. I thought about signing up to GIYUS as well so I could get some information on who was being targeted and possibly warn them and try to balance out the threads. However, like you, I was worried about getting some sort of spyware so I decided against it… for the moment anyway. If I get any more information on GIYUS I will be sure to post it. I have a feeling they will be in the news again soon.

    Comment by netherworld — November 28, 2006 @ 8:05 am

  13. Hi, great website.

    I am a regular reader of the BBC ‘Have Your Say’ forum. They have a facility to recommend messages on particular subjects and they have a ‘Most Recommended’ page.

    Once the Megaphone software was lauched in July ’06 all of their Middle East forums became increasingly one-sided. Pro-Palestinian versus pro-Israeli messages used to be about even. Now the GIYUS users swamp the whole thing. Its a real shame to be honest because it gives a skewed image of public opinion.

    However, lately the regular users have noticed it has become ridiculously one-sided and they are complaining. They are also more and more aware of the GIYUS influence. I think the GIYUS mob kind of overplayed their hand.

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    Comment by retro — November 19, 2007 @ 1:45 am

  16. GIYUS is a very clever idea, and alerts people who want to exercise their legitimate right to comment on issues concerning Israel and Judaism. Thank you for letting me know about it – I am joining up today.

    Comment by Andy Gill — January 29, 2008 @ 10:01 am

  17. “GIYUS…alerts people who want to exercise their legitimate right to comment on issues concerning Israel and Judaism”

    what a crock of shit, if possible GIYUS will automatically vote in favour of Israel on polls without the user even knowing the topic or question

    Comment by RE:Andy Gill — June 23, 2008 @ 5:48 pm

  18. Thanks a lot for these usefultips!GIYUS = MOSSAD. That’s it. Visit the blog from Yeshurun Judaism against Zionism
    http://www.bloggen.be/jesjoeroen

    Enissa KELIF, proud Flemish Tunisian Moslima

    Comment by Enissa KELIF — July 8, 2008 @ 3:09 pm

  19. Hi, I got your site from
    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
    Thanks for your tips and good luck for 2009

    Comment by Jose — December 30, 2008 @ 7:20 pm

  20. Here’s an idea, why don’t we all download their software and install. Then we could make a concerted effort to combat these trolls at their own game and make as many comments as they make? This would seem to negate the effect

    Comment by Guy — December 30, 2008 @ 7:33 pm

  21. Anti-GENTILISM is the root cause of “antisemitism”.

    Comment by Dr. Dan — December 30, 2008 @ 8:06 pm

  22. NO PROBLEM – all we have to do is download megaphone and follow them around and post the opposite.

    Comment by RALPHIE — December 30, 2008 @ 9:31 pm

  23. More power to the Nether-World. You are a true patriot.

    Fight the good fight and don`t give up, people.

    We-humanity-can defeat the born evil jew terrorist and make planet earth a much better and more livable place.

    Comment by Mitch — December 30, 2008 @ 9:35 pm

  24. I installed Megaphone from giyus.
    Its ‘action alerts’ consist of one site per day, and only some of them call to action.

    This is overblown bullshit.

    Go ahead and see. Its bullshit.

    Comment by RALPHIE — December 30, 2008 @ 9:56 pm

  25. Notice the beginning of the article…if you didn’t make a note of the date, the article could apply to the current MASSACRE of the inhabitants of Gaza!

    Incredible…

    Comment by hANOVER fIST — December 30, 2008 @ 10:18 pm

  26. whatever the date, they dont seem to be rockin and rollin with it nowadays

    Comment by RALPHIE — December 30, 2008 @ 10:41 pm

  27. The source of the GIYUS has been revealed here in this July 26, 2008 UK Times article “Israel Backed by Army of Cyber-Soldiers”: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article693911.ece

    Comment by Hei Hu Quan — December 31, 2008 @ 12:29 am

  28. “If other bloggers link to your post then even more people will see it…”

    I also picked up your article from whatreallyhappened.com (best political-posting site on the Web)

    Comment by tquigly — December 31, 2008 @ 3:29 am

  29. The older version of megaphone was better. Worked on taskbar. And it gives you idea what the zionazis are fighting about.

    Comment by ull kaido — December 31, 2008 @ 10:23 am

  30. Israel is dying and they know it. The Zionist dream is self destructing. Happy days.

    Comment by suraci — January 1, 2009 @ 12:19 pm

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  33. I was GIYUSed.

    Yuck.

    So I wrote something up, see:

    http://malcontends.blogspot.com/2009/05/giyus-support-killing-palestinians.html

    Comment by Mal Contends — May 5, 2009 @ 1:56 pm

  34. OMG!!! Evil Israel!! Conspiracy!! I’m not Jewish or Israeli. I’m just: A cynic. A skeptic. Don’t bother with arguments that single out one side only.

    I would however, agree with the statement on the site saying it is “to combat anti-Israli, pro-Arab media”. Most news I see, on all tv, newspapers, blogs, etc, is pro-Arab. Everyone hates Israel.

    So don’t point out a pro-Israli network and slam it unless you do it to the pro-Arab ones. It just appears biased and more like a dodgy conspiracy theory than anything reasonable.

    Comment by Chris — May 15, 2009 @ 7:46 am

  35. You missed tip number 11.
    Add Megamouth and track what Giyus are doing.

    Which Arab is Chris referring to? Or does he mean to indicate Palestinians, or Bedouin, or Druze, or Jordanian, or Lebanese, or Syrians, or Saudis, or Iraqis or maybe even Egyptians. It appears that he is generalising and alluding to some “global Islamic conspiracy theory”

    Comment by Ashley Kennedy — May 21, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

    • Ashley, as much as Chris’ post contains an element of racism and ignorance. He certainly has a post. I agree that there are right wing bloggers and media outlets that support Israel single sidedly and blindly.

      However, the cry of “what about the Palestinian voice” makes me grow tired. I’m not against a Palestinian voice, but if you cannot find it in mainstream media, I’d say you weren’t looking very hard.

      Comment by Edders — November 15, 2009 @ 4:59 am

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  37. WARNING!
    Unfortunately I mafe a mistake to sign up for this GIUS
    to fight Zionist propaganda.
    Within a week my computer was infected by some kind of virus.
    My new laptop completely frose ( I think they identified me as an enemy) and I lost most of my data.
    For some reason my friends also had problems at the same time and it happened to another friend. He also got a phone call with warning. This is not funny.
    In any case be careful what you are downloading from this site.
    They know lots of info about you I can assure you. From now on I chane my email every month just in case.

    Comment by Yaakov Sullivan — August 8, 2009 @ 6:04 am

  38. I linked your article to conversations at Huffpo which is the only mainstream media outlet to host anything close to a rational dialog about Israel – Palestine. I have tracked Israeli propagandists on blogs and websites now for 5 years. I am thinking of joining GIYUS though, to use their data against them. Then I can also respond and debunk GIYUS! They are the enemy of truth and justice.

    Comment by Ralph Conner — October 5, 2009 @ 4:37 pm

  39. the trick is to use 2 computers one just for the Giyus site and dont use it for anything else (the cheapest notebook you can find in a pawnshop) and then just copy from the Alerts on a second computer (NOT NETWORKED DO IT BY HAND) If you really wanted to support Palestin once tyou went to the site link it to your friends

    Comment by Paul Johnston — January 29, 2010 @ 5:01 pm

  40. This is terrible. They infested my laptop with some crazy virus and I lost all my data.Looks like they can see into your data because my credit card information has been stolen and somebody have tried to get money from my account.
    I also started to rercieve calls with sick israeli accent asking me questions about my anti israeli activity. My imam also told me somebody contacted our Mosque asking questions about me. This is getting scary.

    Comment by Yaakov Sulluvan — March 5, 2010 @ 3:15 am

  41. You do realise that this is the biggest troll since…

    Comment by Johnny D. — June 6, 2010 @ 4:08 pm

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  43. Number 10 above is just appalling to me. How can anyone “distort” or “wreck” an online poll? It’s a POLL. If you don’t like the way the poll numbers are trending you shut it down and blame a conspiracy? Either you’re honest and you report what the poll numbers say, or you’re not honest and you don’t.

    Comment by Jerry — November 24, 2010 @ 9:12 pm

    • SO YOU ARE GIYUS JIDF OR JUST STUPID….

      Comment by MARK SNOW — June 20, 2012 @ 12:59 pm

      • Apparently I’m just stupid.

        Comment by Jerry — June 20, 2012 @ 8:47 pm

      • Still waiting for a serious answer…. anyone? Anyone?

        Comment by Jerry — July 27, 2013 @ 9:50 pm

  44. How ironic that Alan Johnston was kidnapped for 4 months by the very same militants he supports.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Alan_Johnston

    No “good” dead goes unpunished by Islamofascists.

    Comment by Eddie — November 9, 2011 @ 9:49 pm

  45. Thanks for posting this. All good advice.

    Comment by M Lust — March 26, 2012 @ 10:44 pm

  46. Your link from point 1: little bit about GIYUS, has been hijacked and re-directs to another English newspaper, The Times, owned by Rupert Murdoch.

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